barack obama was in debates with hillary before mccain. he's not likely to make those mistakes. >> he faced a much more formidable opponent. >> joe biden the guy from connecticut, who's now in charge of the motion picture industry, i can't remember his name off the top of my head. bill richardson, the former ambassador of the united nations and secretary of energy. these are who the crop of candidates that president obama beat. >> i think if gary johnson had been allowed in those debates it would have been much more interesting. >> it would have been interesting to see what ron paul's philosophy looks like without crazy. >> you. >> and not to say that i don't think that the philosophy is crazy, but the presentation of the philosophy. >> half of it is very sane. half of it is beyond the democrats. i think that ron paul is one of the few people in congress to stand up and say that the iraq war was unconstitutional. it was. >> libertarianism is like the hold out spot for people who want to think that they're better than the democrats and cons